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iPhone Messaging

No matter what kind of phone they have, Indonesians in general want two things from their phones (aside from being able to make calls and send sms): Yahoo Messenger and forwarding SMS*. Yahoo's messaging network is so prevalent in this country it's almost unthinkable that anyone would drop their YM account**.

 I also just discovered tonight at id-iPhone's gathering that many business people still have partners and clients that don't do email but they know sms. Forwarded SMS usually means a joke, spam, or some other type of junk, just like with email, but it struck me tonight that there might just be a significant portion of the market that actually use sms as business tools. Not just forwarding contacts but sending payment details, account numbers, product lists, and plenty of other commerce activities.

 I suppose I should have realized this earlier seeing that smart phones, while prevalent, are used mostly by people who don't even know how to use emails. Many are close to being tech illiterates. The lack of proper support for messaging system in the iPhone highlights one of the reasons why people jailbreak their iPhones here. They want to be able to chat continuously just like with Blackberries, receiving updates as they arrive, not when they open the application, and being able to forward text messages. I can tell you that the majority, perhaps 95% of id-iPhone members, jailbreak their iPhones and will talk others into jailbreaking them.

 Many of the members also said cut, copy, and paste wold be nice too but not as crucial as messaging. Not too many people complain about lack of physical keyboards though.

 In other words, iPhone OS 3.0 should solve most of their problems.

  
*) I don't do SMS much. I tend to ignore SMS that come in unless it is an urgent matter
**) I don't do chat either. GTalk and Skype occasionally but that's it.

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Comments (19)

May 01, 2009
Aria Rajasa said...
i complain about the keyboard! :P
May 01, 2009
Aulia Masna said...
you're but one lone voice ;)
May 01, 2009
Aria Rajasa said...
still a voice to be heard :D
May 01, 2009
Aulia Masna said...
If you really think typing on iPhone sucks, it's you who suck on typing. Use an iPod touch for a month, get used to it
May 01, 2009
Aria Rajasa said...
i prefer a technology that understand me rather than me understanding them :)
May 01, 2009
Aulia Masna said...
I guess you'll never learn then
May 01, 2009
Aria Rajasa said...
yep, most probably will not
May 01, 2009
evanhindra said...
It'll take sometime before the Indonesians adopt the iPhone. They have yet to realize how much more powerful the iPhone OS platform really is when compared to RIMOS.

But as you mentioned, OS 3.0 should (and from what I've seen, used for the past few weeks) eliminate the concerns BlackBerry users have over the iPhone.

PROTIP: when you're typing on the iPhone, just give yourself in to his "Steve-ness". Don't worry about making mistakes, as they'll be corrected at the end of each word. Blind-faith isn't a strange concept to Indonesians, isn't it?

disclaimer: I have both RIM and iPhone devices (8800 and Bold/EDGE and 3G). I'm a switcher from BB to iPhone after 4 years of having to live with it, this is my second year using the iPhoneOS.

May 02, 2009
Alderina Gracia said...
mungkinkah iPhone ada qwerty-nya? tapi iPhone emang menyenangkan hanya saja saya sekarang masih milih BB :D
May 02, 2009
evanhindra said...
@aulia maybe you can answer this; do you know how well exposed are the Indonesians to the AppStore? What about 3rd party apps in general (both RIMOS and iPhoneOS)

I talked to some of my Indonesian friends who are self-proclaimed BB experts/addicts, they have VERY little 3rd party apps installed on their BB. I asked why, because they're just not used to purchasing things online (they're skeptic about it, or simply not used to the concept of spending money on software).

I'm wondering if they know the real difference between the RIMOS vs. iPhoneOS?

FYI BB users: Y!M on the iPhone is a HELL LOT better than Y!M on RIMOS. http://download.cnet.com/8301-2007_4-10214086-12.html?tag=mncol;txt

May 02, 2009
Aria Rajasa said...
never had a problem with YM on BB. What feature is a "HELL LOT better" on the iPhone that BB do not have?

Yes i do agree on the 3rd party app, but it's not because i don't want to buy it. It's just so damn expensive! $40 for a multi-protocol IM? come on! even a theme is worth $7 -_-.. Compared to lots of free iPhone apps, apple wins on a land slide on this. Owh and it's a lot easier to develop an application on the iPhone SDK than on BB SDK.

But in time, i would predict that all would change with the OS 5.0 coming along the way and also the rise of the blackberry app store which entice content providers to create something similar like crackberry app store (there's an app for it) and AT&T Mall (another app store). We'll probably see one on Indonesia, probably XL since telkomsel is such a dumbshit for changes.

If we can buy application with our phone credits (baca: pulsa). I'm pretty sure it'll be a blasting success. Like the gaming on symbian and java phones :D

May 02, 2009
Evan Hindra said...
BB SDK is crap. I looked into dev'ing for it, and I gave up. And that whole "funding" thing is really silly. Not that iFund is any better (not to mention, the  approval system. It's pretty questionable).

Everything on the BB is far more expensive than on the iPhone OS. And I can sort of understand why… . There was a long arse explanation by one of the developers on why he put a $19 price-tag on a multi-alarm app (it was Mobylo! I think?).

Speaking of which, that's a feature that should be built into RIMOS. WinMo has it, iPhone has it, and pretty much just about every other phone have that feature. This is stupidity on RIM's behalf.

His argument was: due to smaller number of BB users, and the total amount of sales on our software, accounting our time/effort/cost of development/support, we have to put higher price tag. That's the cost to be a BB developer. I read this a few years back. I'm sure things have changed since then. But I still don't understand why I have to pay $6 for an application to make my BB ring+vibrate at the same time (I know there are freeones).

Basically, I have to pay $$$ to get my BB to do things that are "native" to other phones (even non-smartphones; things like… auto standby, message preview, vib+ring). Silly as hell.

I'm not saying there's any problem/issue with Y!M on the RIMOS. As a matter of fact, there's only one or two minor things I don't like. But it's the HIG/UI I cannot stand on the BBOS.

Oh, and how's XL's network? Last time I had to use XL's BIS network, it was… horrendous. I brought a Bold with me (fresh from RIM, not even a Rogers device), and I couldn't hop onto the 3G. Stuck on GPRS (not even EDGE). Then I went to central Java, I was on EDGE a good… 60% of the time. The latency is pretty damn bad too (BIS).

May 02, 2009
Aria Rajasa said...
i use XL for about a year on BB and it's quite ok, just a couple of loose signals on peculiar places but overall i'm quite satisfied.

Yeah, i can relate about the cost and crappy SDK. It's java :P even coding the UI sucks.. But I'm looking into multi-platform mobile framework, that in which you can code once and deploy on BB, iPhone and Android. It uses Ajax, xhtml and sqllite :D I forgot the name but it's still on early alpha release, will definitely look out for it.

May 02, 2009
Aulia Masna said...
@evan I don't think Apple and Telkomsel have done enough to push the App Store to their customers. They do make an effort but as I see it, the locals are just too unfamiliar and too uncomfortable with buying things online. 

Aside from that, I've heard people ask if they can add BIS to the iPhone *facepalm*. The jailbreaking community isn't exactly underground either. They always encourage people to jailbreak their iPhones, it's like a movement. 

 

Sent from my iPhone
May 02, 2009
Evan Hindra said...
@aulia I'll be spending a few months in Jakarta later this year. Planning to bring my iPhone back. Might have to use that SIM card overlay that will allow me to "unlock" it. Telkomsel it is then?

Unless… I can get myself on factory unlocked iPhone. I've got an ATT EDGE iPhone and Rogers iPhone 3G. I updated the 3G to run OS 3.0, so no yellowsn0w for me.

Here's hoping that the new iPhone will be easily unlocked or Singapore will sell them unlocked.

May 02, 2009
Aulia Masna said...
I wouldn't rely on Telkomsel for data coverage although it might
depend on where you'll be.
 
They and Indosat have really slow and unreliable access in south and
central Jakarta. Axis has best data line but limited overall coverage.
May 03, 2009
Brett McGuire said...
so, theoretically, if one were to jailbreak their iPhone, what would one install? theoretically, of course ;-)
May 03, 2009
Aulia Masna said...
@brett I can tell you for a fact, you'd install cut/copy/paste and sms apps! ;) and also internet sharing apps if you were to jailbreak your iPhone :D
May 03, 2009
Brett McGuire said...
@aulia: can you suggest some apps?

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